At a time when the interest in public procurement could not be more intense, while there is also a lot of confusing discussion going on, Marta and Willem have come up with a ‘set menu’ format that makes talking about the challenges of proper and socially progressive procurement both accessible and enjoyable. Their ‘main course’ discussions provide both a clear entry point to the topical issues they cover, and research-based insights that will be relevant to researchers, practitioners, and policymakers. Their ‘desert’ is usually of an academic flavour, but not to be missed either. The way they tease each other is quite endearing too. Their podcast is a must-listen for anyone keeping an eye on new regulatory trends in procurement.